They really slapped the face of Honda
Feb 28, 2005 | 11:16 PM
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They really slapped the face of Honda
what can we accomplish by telling Honda anything, unless the owner of Honda is reading tis post what can we possibly do to change this? Honda must be doing something right because they have #1 sales, but i personally say there behind, but again i personally dont care, and i dont see why yall are so caught up in this, i have other things in life to worry about than what Honda is doing, like someone else said, have fun with what cha got!
i still think Honda needs to put differnetial on one of there quads though[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
i still think Honda needs to put differnetial on one of there quads though[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Feb 28, 2005 | 11:23 PM
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They really slapped the face of Honda
Dad paid a whopping $4250.00 for his new '88 foreman 4x4 fourtrax...We took it into the shop for the very first problem this last fall, and that was brake cylinders they probably would have lasted longer if we would ever changed the fluid. I bought two more new '03 foreman S's and was delighted to see the design had only a few changes..many of the parts are identical!..I think the plain foreman is extremely close in design (all time 4x4). That design was as close to bulletproof as "bulletproof."
Actually Honda did originally design the perfect atv, they called it an atc and restoring these old relics is becoming the new craze in atv's...right now we're working over a couple '84 big reds for next season.
Actually Honda did originally design the perfect atv, they called it an atc and restoring these old relics is becoming the new craze in atv's...right now we're working over a couple '84 big reds for next season.
Mar 1, 2005 | 07:39 AM
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Did I miss something??? Why in the world would you need to adjust a clutch to compensate for altitude changes?????
it's because of the (shortfall) or (tunability) of the belt driven CV to compensate for different power
see, the clutches are made to shift out at a constant rpm based on a given power delivery. if engine power/torque changes, the belt drive doesn't know that, so you must recalibrate to get peak performance, or suffer sluggishness or overrevving. this can be done by changing flyweight shape, weight, spring force and rate....nearly an endless list of combinations for the creative and tireless tuners.
It's fun to tune a (fast) sled to beat your buddy, but a utility quad?
Mar 1, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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They really slapped the face of Honda
Originally posted by: BlackStallion
what can we accomplish by telling Honda anything, unless the owner of Honda is reading tis post what can we possibly do to change this? Honda must be doing something right because they have #1 sales, but i personally say there behind, but again i personally dont care, and i dont see why yall are so caught up in this, i have other things in life to worry about than what Honda is doing, like someone else said, have fun with what cha got!
i still think Honda needs to put differnetial on one of there quads though[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
what can we accomplish by telling Honda anything, unless the owner of Honda is reading tis post what can we possibly do to change this? Honda must be doing something right because they have #1 sales, but i personally say there behind, but again i personally dont care, and i dont see why yall are so caught up in this, i have other things in life to worry about than what Honda is doing, like someone else said, have fun with what cha got!
i still think Honda needs to put differnetial on one of there quads though[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Mar 1, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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thanks propnut, no wonder the other manufactures are switching to fuel injection. Now they only have to adjust the belt when you get into high altitudes. I have noticed our friends ATVs seem to take more throttle to get them moving at high altitudes.
If Honda ever injects one of their ATVs, they can call it "The All Altitute ATV". Pretty catchy, hu?
We have been pretty lucky. Our dealer re-jets all their ATVs as part of the pre-delivery. We live at 4200 ft and only go up from here. We have had our ATV over 12,000 ft and other than the typical lack of power caused by the lack of air, ours has run excellent. I have been surprised how well it does run at high altitudes. All it would take is for the manufactures to install an aneroid to control the atmospheric pressre in the float bowl chamber and carbureted ATVs would run a lot better at high altitudes.
If Honda ever injects one of their ATVs, they can call it "The All Altitute ATV". Pretty catchy, hu?
We have been pretty lucky. Our dealer re-jets all their ATVs as part of the pre-delivery. We live at 4200 ft and only go up from here. We have had our ATV over 12,000 ft and other than the typical lack of power caused by the lack of air, ours has run excellent. I have been surprised how well it does run at high altitudes. All it would take is for the manufactures to install an aneroid to control the atmospheric pressre in the float bowl chamber and carbureted ATVs would run a lot better at high altitudes.
Mar 1, 2005 | 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Specta
thanks propnut, no wonder the other manufactures are switching to fuel injection. Now they only have to adjust the belt when you get into high altitudes. I have noticed our friends ATVs seem to take more throttle to get them moving at high altitudes.
If Honda ever injects one of their ATVs, they can call it "The All Altitute ATV". Pretty catchy, hu?
We have been pretty lucky. Our dealer re-jets all their ATVs as part of the pre-delivery. We live at 4200 ft and only go up from here. We have had our ATV over 12,000 ft and other than the typical lack of power caused by the lack of air, ours has run excellent. I have been surprised how well it does run at high altitudes. All it would take is for the manufactures to install an aneroid to control the atmospheric pressre in the float bowl chamber and carbureted ATVs would run a lot better at high altitudes.[/
From 6000 to 12000 feet my manual says that your supposed to use a slighty lighter shift weight about two grams. You would probably be ok if you didn't adjust it you might just have a slight burning of the belt.
Originally posted by: Specta
thanks propnut, no wonder the other manufactures are switching to fuel injection. Now they only have to adjust the belt when you get into high altitudes. I have noticed our friends ATVs seem to take more throttle to get them moving at high altitudes.
If Honda ever injects one of their ATVs, they can call it "The All Altitute ATV". Pretty catchy, hu?
We have been pretty lucky. Our dealer re-jets all their ATVs as part of the pre-delivery. We live at 4200 ft and only go up from here. We have had our ATV over 12,000 ft and other than the typical lack of power caused by the lack of air, ours has run excellent. I have been surprised how well it does run at high altitudes. All it would take is for the manufactures to install an aneroid to control the atmospheric pressre in the float bowl chamber and carbureted ATVs would run a lot better at high altitudes.[/
From 6000 to 12000 feet my manual says that your supposed to use a slighty lighter shift weight about two grams. You would probably be ok if you didn't adjust it you might just have a slight burning of the belt.
Mar 1, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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I would never buy an ATV with a CVT unless they can gaurantee that no water will get in there. Last time we went mudding, which was last fall, there were 2 seperate groups of people. Our group had one 1986 Foreman 350 (every available option plus winch, never had a problem with it) and 4 three wheelers (83-85 200s'). The other group had 5 newer 4X4's. I'm not sure of all the models, but the ones that caught my attention were the Rincon and the Polaris. The Rincon becasue he seemed to be the leader and seemed to be going 5-10mph faster through everything. I think it had more to do with his ability than the bikes. Everyone was having a great time seeing who could go through the biggest mudholes/creeks, except the guy with the CVT who was cruising around the perimeter trying to dry out his belt.
The 86 Foreman made it through everything and pulled lots of quads out with the winch. Almost 20 years old. I wish they would make the exact replica.
The 86 Foreman made it through everything and pulled lots of quads out with the winch. Almost 20 years old. I wish they would make the exact replica.
Mar 1, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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Did I miss something??? Why in the world would you need to adjust a clutch to compensate for altitude changes?????
You shouldnt need to! Its most likley just the dealer trying to get some extra cash!
You shouldnt need to! Its most likley just the dealer trying to get some extra cash!
Mar 1, 2005 | 01:46 PM
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What about the sport quads that honda makes that are outdated. Most of you are just talking about the utilitly quads that honda makes which could use some improvements here and there but are not too bad. Honda is really lacking in the sport quad area in my opinion. The 250ex has terrible suspension, its slow and hits the rev limiter very quickly, it has a drum rear brake and shaft drive. basically its just a slightly improved 200sx which dates back to 1986. The 300ex is also based on another old and outdated quad, the 250x and all they ever improved on the 300ex in the years has been the headlight never mind that it has the worst reverse setup out of all quads. And someone mentioned that all other atv manufactures are lacking performance atvs and have old designs also. Look at the KFX400 or the mojave which is a 250cc and has the power to beat a 300ex. The 300, and 400ex could atleast use liquid cooling and it would be nice to have the 400ex with a 4 valve dohc engine in it. I dont mean to bash honda or anything but alot of other atv manufactures makeatvs in the same class that could out perform honda sport atvs
Mar 1, 2005 | 02:02 PM
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reliv007,
I think someone already answered your question in a previous reply.
Due to the engine having less hp the higher you go in altitude, you need to re-clutch to keep the shift out in the powerband (which will likely be at a lower rpm the higher you go). This is directly from the snowmobile world where you have to re-clutch for 12000 ft vs. running at sea level. The clutch setups are the same with ATV's that have continuously variable transmissions (CVT).
You may be confusing the wet multi plate clutch on a geared transmission (ala 250r, yfz450, TRX450), with the drive and driven clutches of a continuously variable transmission.
I think someone already answered your question in a previous reply.
Due to the engine having less hp the higher you go in altitude, you need to re-clutch to keep the shift out in the powerband (which will likely be at a lower rpm the higher you go). This is directly from the snowmobile world where you have to re-clutch for 12000 ft vs. running at sea level. The clutch setups are the same with ATV's that have continuously variable transmissions (CVT).
You may be confusing the wet multi plate clutch on a geared transmission (ala 250r, yfz450, TRX450), with the drive and driven clutches of a continuously variable transmission.