You would probably be more likely to see another company aside from the "Big Lazy Four" come out with somthing powered by a Blue-Smoke. If you look right now, it took a fringe player like Gas-Gas to come out with the newest 2-smoker since the Banshee....Good lord. Expect more four stroke offerings from the usual suspects and the likes of KTM as well.

The Phantom....is The Phantom...

 

So what your sayin is Bombardier could do it since they aint the big 4 [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] Id like to see that boat technology transfer over Hell what about cars on that boat technology [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] hmm wonder what that 225 evinrude would do in a geo metro [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

 

Too much weight to push with such a small engine, way too much resistance to movement. Also requries too much torque to turn the heavy drive components.

 

...........Uhh; Lets Ride.

 

Uhhhhhh Considering Honda puts the motor out of the civic in their boat motors I dunno why an evinrude smoker designed to push a boat wouldnt work in a car.

 

No problem maddog,..... I have the upmost respect for you as well that has built over the years and I agree with you disagreeing....as i expected you to...LOL

While I may not have made my point clear enough....I am NOT against two strokes in general. I just feel that their time in the off road market has expired...and if the manufacturers didn't feel that way, more effort would be put into them. Yamaha is the only compnay standing firmly behind the 2 stroke...as of now. Honda is on the verge of letting the CR125 go after next year.
The diffetrence between the 2 stroke and 4 stroke debate here relating to PWC and sleds though is the fact that ALL of the country is affected by off road vehicles. Sleds are regional and PWC are as well in most parts of the country...especially in the south.

If all this technology is already out there and is genuinely applicable to the offorad market, then why hasn;t it been used by now??? AMA SX and MX are the test beds of the factories and where millions of R&D money gets funneled in. There has been nothing in the last 7 years........7 years...that has been an advancement in our market but 4 strokes.

You can only use so much horsepower on a track. The limit has been met by both the 2 stroke and the 4 stroke. It's all a matter of how well it applys that power to the ground and in my opinion, that is one area the 2 stroke will never be able to match on an open outdoor track.

But back to the chainsaw comment. No thanks. I can do without a 4 stroke chainsaw...or weedeater for that matter. As I said, I am not against the engine design in any way. I just don't feel it's the engine on top anymore in OUR market and if the technology was really there to keep it on top....that technology would have begun it's implementation in 1997 when Doug Henry came to the Anaheim SX and whooped @$$ on a Yamaha prototype motorcycle that would become known a year later as the YZ400F.

Just my .02
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That is taking a car engine and using it in a boat (which just about every inboard or I/O boat does). The situation is different for an outboard boat engine going into a car, and I cited the reasons why in my post. Boat engines don't need nearly as much hp or torque to get them moving, thats why most small recreational boats get by fine on 100 hp.