What is really going on in Michigan
May 5, 2006 | 08:41 AM
#791
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What is really going on in Michigan
Again, Muddy...your continuing personal insults and crass behavior do more to illustrate the overall character of who you represent (AtvOffRoad Club of Michigan and now a well known motorcycle club to boot?) than my extremely simple observations concerning the facts surrounding orv matters here in Michigan could ever describe.(I know that being the 'family values' membership poster child for these two organizations isn't 'easy'...but hey, in my mind(?), you're doing one heck of a job!).
Please forgive me if I (again) simply stick to making factual statements here that you or nobody else in this "we can't question the cyclists" Michigan orv community evidently has the ability to refute.....(isn't it just amazing that access-related issues like unrecorded meeting minutes; secret councils; unpublished contact info and a myriad of other arrogant actions are continually brought up here <u>without</u> so much as comment one?).....and you just keep up your good work of continually shoveling "Mud" over the top of every one of them.
We'll all be just fine, believe me. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Please forgive me if I (again) simply stick to making factual statements here that you or nobody else in this "we can't question the cyclists" Michigan orv community evidently has the ability to refute.....(isn't it just amazing that access-related issues like unrecorded meeting minutes; secret councils; unpublished contact info and a myriad of other arrogant actions are continually brought up here <u>without</u> so much as comment one?).....and you just keep up your good work of continually shoveling "Mud" over the top of every one of them.
We'll all be just fine, believe me. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
May 5, 2006 | 09:47 AM
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What is really going on in Michigan
Has anyone seen that episode of South Park when Johny Cochran(spelling?) is in court and throw out irrelavant coments like Chewbaka? If you have, that is just like BB isn't it? lol
I see MWQ is right, BB really doesn't like to answer questions, just kind of veers off and likes to hear himself talk. That usually is a sign that means someone has no argument and can't admit any failure in their life.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
I see MWQ is right, BB really doesn't like to answer questions, just kind of veers off and likes to hear himself talk. That usually is a sign that means someone has no argument and can't admit any failure in their life.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
May 5, 2006 | 10:09 AM
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How well do the guys that ride sleds get along on these trails in the winter?
May 5, 2006 | 10:10 AM
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What is really going on in Michigan
Originally posted by: blackballed
What you and every other arrogant motorcyclist seem unable to 'grasp'...
What you and every other arrogant motorcyclist seem unable to 'grasp'...
May 5, 2006 | 10:12 AM
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What is really going on in Michigan
Originally posted by: mywifesquad
And your not a arrogant OHV'er? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: blackballed
What you and every other arrogant motorcyclist seem unable to 'grasp'...
What you and every other arrogant motorcyclist seem unable to 'grasp'...
May 5, 2006 | 10:14 AM
#796
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Originally posted by: stunna65305
I agree with ya there. If someone wants to make a change, or try to anyways, they should get involved. Whether it be writing a letter or making a phone call etc.... What I would like to see from your group, and I think a few people here would agree with me since it does affect us all, is better communication from your group with the ORV public. Since your lobbying efforts, good or bad, do affect us all and your group does claim to represent the majority of ATV users in the state of Michigan, from the DNR's perspective anyways, I would think that its the ATVOCC's (not sure about the acronym there but you know who I'm talking about) responsibility to let us know what their trying to get done. Agree?
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
So just because we buy a ORV sticker/license, we have no say what will happen with orv use? Unless we join some super secret club END OF QUOTE.
No,thats not what im saying. Im saying that YOUR responsability as a ORV user does NOT end with the purchase of your 16.25 cent ORV sticker IF you want to make advances to your sport. You need to get INVOLVED in the politics of the sport. The way you do that is by joining the club of YOUR choice and staying on top of the politics of the sport. If there are no clubs out there that fit your needs [like in Blackball's case] than you should concider forming your OWN club with your OWN agenda's.. Trouble is, I've been telling BB this for years to form his own club because EVERY club he joins, does not fit his idea of what a club should be,so in that case, he should form his OWN club,but instead, he just comes into the FEW various forums that he's not been banned from and tells everybody else what their character defects are,all the while,doing absolutely NOTHING himself to get a solution to his issues.
So just because we buy a ORV sticker/license, we have no say what will happen with orv use? Unless we join some super secret club END OF QUOTE.
No,thats not what im saying. Im saying that YOUR responsability as a ORV user does NOT end with the purchase of your 16.25 cent ORV sticker IF you want to make advances to your sport. You need to get INVOLVED in the politics of the sport. The way you do that is by joining the club of YOUR choice and staying on top of the politics of the sport. If there are no clubs out there that fit your needs [like in Blackball's case] than you should concider forming your OWN club with your OWN agenda's.. Trouble is, I've been telling BB this for years to form his own club because EVERY club he joins, does not fit his idea of what a club should be,so in that case, he should form his OWN club,but instead, he just comes into the FEW various forums that he's not been banned from and tells everybody else what their character defects are,all the while,doing absolutely NOTHING himself to get a solution to his issues.
Someone from that club wanna respond to what I wrote?
If the club wants to get more paying members, they should state their position publicly for everyone to know and maybe people would be inclined to join if they liked what the group is fighting for. Clear concise statements from your club would help all of us understand and know the ATV related issues in Michigan and maybe make us wanna join your club. Since we all have to pay for those damn ORV stickers every year and that club trying to change the way that that money is being used they should give us all the common courtesy of an update on where they stand in respect to the issues... New trail, trail maintenance, etc.....
May 5, 2006 | 10:15 AM
#797
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What is really going on in Michigan
Originally posted by: Scootergptx
Not the three letters I would have used, but that works. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: mywifesquad
And your not a arrogant OHV'er? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: blackballed
What you and every other arrogant motorcyclist seem unable to 'grasp'...
What you and every other arrogant motorcyclist seem unable to 'grasp'...
May 5, 2006 | 10:16 AM
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What is really going on in Michigan
Originally posted by: stunna65305
Over Head Valve'er?
Originally posted by: Scootergptx
Not the three letters I would have used, but that works. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: mywifesquad
And your not a arrogant OHV'er? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: blackballed
What you and every other arrogant motorcyclist seem unable to 'grasp'...
What you and every other arrogant motorcyclist seem unable to 'grasp'...
May 5, 2006 | 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by: blackballed
Again, Muddy...your continuing personal insults and crass behavior do more to illustrate the overall character of who you represent (AtvOffRoad Club of Michigan and <EM>now</EM> a well known motorcycle club to boot?)
Please forgive me if I (again) simply stick to making <STRONG>factual</STRONG> statements here
Again, Muddy...your continuing personal insults and crass behavior do more to illustrate the overall character of who you represent (AtvOffRoad Club of Michigan and <EM>now</EM> a well known motorcycle club to boot?)
Please forgive me if I (again) simply stick to making <STRONG>factual</STRONG> statements here
This part is funny, BB claims to have been the only person here to know the truth about Michigans state of ORV stability and he claims to know everything about everything.
The way I understand things, Muddy is not a leader of ATVOC but only a dues paying member, an opinionated member, yes! But not the leadership of ATVOC. Also the last time heard, Muddy wasn't a leader of any of the 2 motorcycle organizations in Michigan.
So how can Muddy be held as the representative of these organizations which in BB's own words he claims as fact?
I just put this out as things to think about, because I know BB doesn't answer questions.