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Old 04-12-2013, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JustRandy
Idk if it would fit. That would be a hell of a thing. My king weighs 850lb and runs pretty good. I can get up to 37mph in 350ft from a dead stop. Imagine that same engine in a 320lb machine with chain drive and a lot less friction. Wouldn't be able to hold the wheels down!

A stock king is 650lb and will get up to 31mph in 350ft. According to my math, my engine produces 78% more power than stock. Of course, stock isn't a lot to start with.
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I'm looking for a 250s engine and I'd buy a 300 crank to see if it would fit. The crank is probably a lot easier to find than the 250s engine.
 
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by j_mauld
I wish there were a way to bookmark a certain post inside a thread, so I could save this as a reminder.

I'm looking for a 250s engine and I'd buy a 300 crank to see if it would fit. The crank is probably a lot easier to find than the 250s engine.
You could click on the link for that post and then bookmark it. The search tool works pretty well too. When I searched for the broken steering stem I just put "steering" in the search and went to the 3rd page (oldest post) and found the one by gforce.

Lots of kings out there. Not too many 250S engines. You'd have to figure out the clutch stuff too. The 300 has the auto clutch. The flywheels look to be the same though.

The honda 300ex is already a 300 and its pretty freaking fast. I had trouble keeping the wheels down when I raced a warrior (with fmf pipe and powerbomb header, kn filter, big carb). The warrior is slow, heavy, and tall. The 300ex is lighter, lower, and peppy and will flat run off and leave any warrior except maybe the most modded ones. I don't know what was done to the 300, but I liked it. It may or may not have had a wiseco in it. The warrior was fast for a warrior, but the warriors are heavy. Over 400lbs. I think the 300ex is 375 with a battery and starter.

A buddy got the LTZ400 and I didn't like it. Its tall like warrior. It has power, but not like a raptor, so its caught in the middle ground where on one hand its too much and on another its not enough.

I also have a lakota 300. Its fast and low to the ground, but its 450lbs and auto clutch. I think it makes a good ole lady quad.

300 seems to be a good number. Anything bigger ends up being taller and anything over 30 inch seat height scares me.
 
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:10 AM
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Actually, you can make a 250S into a 300 (280cc or so which is what the king is). The kz1000 pistons fit with a sleeve and some case grinding. Oh and some jug spacers. Lots of planning and head scratching and math, but it can be done. Will it hold together? We'll see one of these days.
 
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:36 AM
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I've got a ltz400. I agree its tall and a bit heavy for my tastes. I love how light weight the 230 is, but its suspension is horrible compared to the z400. The 230 just needs a bit more power.
 
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:21 PM
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Yeah the stock 230 susupension sucks. The 250S suspension is much nicer. The 400 can be modified to sit lower, but if you're gonna do all that, do it to a raptor which weighs about the same.

That's why I'm thinking the 300 is about right. Its light and small. 280cc at 325lbs should be pretty nice. Even at 375lbs ain't bad.

Lakota shocks are fairly nice too. Maybe they can be made to work on a 230. Dual rate springs and lots of travel http://www.ebay.com/itm/KAWASAKI-Lakota-KEF300-95-96-97-98-99-00-FRONT-SHOCK-SHOCKS-SUSPENSION-01-02-/130653236410?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e6b8a2cba&vxp=mtr
The 300ex shocks look like 230 shocks, which suck http://www.ebay.com/itm/93-94-95-96-97-98-HONDA-300EX-TRX300EX-ADJUSTABLE-FRONT-SHOCK-SHOCKS-SUSPENSION-/130700643031?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e6e5d8ad7&vxp=mtr
Warrior not all that great either http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-01-Yamaha-Warrior-YFM-350-YFM350-Front-Shocks-Suspension-/281058559850?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item417065476a&vxp=mtr
Hard to find a decent set of dual rate oem shocks for cheap. The 250S and Lakota shocks stand out in this area.
 
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:21 PM
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Which raptor are you talking about?

The raptor 250, right?

I read a recent test where it cleaned the floor against the 300ex.
 
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Hey Randy will a 1989 suzuki lt250s clutch bolt rite in a 1985 suzuki lt230s to replace my old one.
 
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by j_mauld
Which raptor are you talking about?

The raptor 250, right?

I read a recent test where it cleaned the floor against the 300ex.
No lol I don't consider a 250 a raptor. Guess I shoulda said 660 or 700.

If the 250 raptor beat the 300 that I rode, then it would have to be on nitrous. The 300 was faster than my 250 and mine had a straight pipe, 28mm carb, kn filter, light tires and non-o-ring super light chain. Oh, I had it ported for a 32mm carb at the time, but was running a 28mm carb. Idk if that made a difference or not. Anyway, the 250 couldn't hold much of a candle. I guess the 300 must have had a wiseco in it.

The 300ex has a 4 valve head. The raptor 250 only 2 valves. They both have the same piston size, but the 300 has a 7.5mm longer stroke for 33 extra ccs. 4 valves and 33 extra ccs should win.

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Hey Randy will a 1989 suzuki lt250s clutch bolt rite in a 1985 suzuki lt230s to replace my old one.
If it would, you'd need the whole deal because the 250 has 7 plates instead of 6. It probably would though if you had basket n all.
 
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Originally Posted by JustRandy
No lol I don't consider a 250 a raptor. Guess I shoulda said 660 or 700.

If the 250 raptor beat the 300 that I rode, then it would have to be on nitrous. The 300 was faster than my 250 and mine had a straight pipe, 28mm carb, kn filter, light tires and non-o-ring super light chain. Oh, I had it ported for a 32mm carb at the time, but was running a 28mm carb. Idk if that made a difference or not. Anyway, the 250 couldn't hold much of a candle. I guess the 300 must have had a wiseco in it.

The 300ex has a 4 valve head. The raptor 250 only 2 valves. They both have the same piston size, but the 300 has a 7.5mm longer stroke for 33 extra ccs. 4 valves and 33 extra ccs should win.

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I should've clarified that by saying that it wasn't a top speed comparison, but an mx track comparison.
 


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