I can't run any lighter than 400 lbs. Are you guys going lighter than that?

 

Lets see a pic of your bike please. My bike might be near 400lbs. Id have to eyeball your bike to see what you have going on.

I dont run a fan. Maybe thats all the weight difference we have. Ill go weigh her this week. I am working on some light stuff to add. Also gonna do some more motor work. Im never done adding stuff. After every outing I kick it up a knotch like Emerald.

 

I'm a pretty transparent guy. I will post my stock wet weight and everything I have done to the chassis. I have a few things left to go. Be back in a second[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Stock Wet weight 490 lbs

Subframe -12lbs
Steering Stem -6lbs
Axle & 520 -24lbs
Swingarm -5 lbs
A-arms -7lbs
Fox Floats -18lbs
Buff tires -11lbs
Pipe -4lbs
MSD +1lb
Noss +6lbs (guess)

That nets 410 lbs wet as a hill shooter by my estimation. All I have to do is strut the rear to drop to about 397 for groomed track.

That is the best I can do to maintain full function for dunability. I will still have lights for night rides, full fenders and heel guards so I look pretty much stock.

That is it........as far as chassis goes[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

Dont get me wrong, Your bike hauls **** im sure... My bike is easily beatable. But its got some kinda funky ninja sprirt... Oh and arent the 2000 ds models 15 lbs lighter than the 05's?

 

Yeah right![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] The '00 are about 25 lbs heavier than the '05 Viper right out of the box. Check my last post[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

2000ds specs


ENGINE
Type 4-stroke, 1 cylinder double overhead camshaft
Displacement 653cc / 100 mm Bore x 83 mm Stroke
Cooling Liquid-cooled
Radiator Front-mounted
Max RPM 7700
Starter Electric start; any gear
Lubrication dry sump
Decompressor Automatic
Carburetor Mikuni BSR 42 Manual choke
ACG 290 W range Denso
Clutch 1 multi-disc
DRIVETRAIN
Transmission 5 speed
Chain 530 type
SUSPENSION
Front type: Double A-arm, 12.0 inches travel (305mm)
Rear type: Rigid swing-arm, 11.5 inches travel (292mm)
INSTRUMENTATION
Pilot Lamps Neutral indicator, oil pressure, coolant temperature
DIMENSIONS/CAPACITIES
Dry weight 460 lbs. (estimated) (209kg)
Max. length 77-inches / (1956mm)
Max. height 46.5-inches / (1181mm)
Wheel base 52-inches / (1321mm)
Max. width 50-inches / (1270mm)
Fuel tank capacity 3.5 US gals. / (12.2L)
Tires Front 21x7x10
Tires Rear 20x11x9
Ground Clearance 11-inches / (279mm)
EQUIPMENT/ELECTRICAL
Battery 12V, 13A - dry type
Headlight 60/55 W
BRAKES
Front: Nissin hydraulic, 2 discs (stainless)
Rear: Nissin hydraulic, 1 disc (stainless)
Parking RH brake lever includes lock on front wheels





MODEL SPECIFICATIONS

YEAR 2005
MAKE BOMBARDIER
MODEL DS650
CLASS All Terrain Vehicle
CATEGORY four wheeler

BRAKES(FRONT/REAR) 3 hydraulic discs 1 hydraulic disc
DRIVE TRAIN Chain driven/solid axle
DRY WEIGHT 495 lb. (225 kg)
FUEL CAPACITY 3.2 US gal. (12 L)
WHEELBASE 49 in. (1,244 mm)


Where are you getting your specs from???

 

Its public info, Just google it!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]


Who told you the Viper was 25 lbs lighter?



Viper red 2005 weight specs

Vehicle
Manufacturer: Can-Am
Year: 2005
Model: DS 650
Vehicle Type: Sport
Price: $4,899
Color: Viper Red
Miles/Hours: N/A
Engine: 4-stroke, single, 4-valve SOHC
Displacement: 653 cc
Bore x Stroke: 100 x 83 mm
Carburetion: Mikuni BSR 42
Cooling: Liquid-cooled
Starter: Electric start
Clutch: Manual
Transmission: 5 speed, manual clutch
Suspension: Front: Double A-arm; 12 in. (305 mm) travel
Rear: Rigid swing arm; 11 in. (279 mm) travel
Brakes: Front: 2 hydraulic discs
Rear: 1 hydraulic disc
Tires: Front: 22 X 7 X 10 in. (559 x 178 x 254 mm)
Rear: 20 X 10 X 9 in. (508 x 254 x 229 mm)
Length: 77 in. (1,956 mm)
Width: 48.0 in. (1,219 mm)
Height: 47.5 in. (1,206 mm)
Wheelbase: 49 in. (1,244 mm)
Seat Height: 33.8 in. (857 mm)
Turning Radius: 124 in. (3,159 mm) 124 in. (3,159 mm)
Ground Clearance: 11.7 in. (297 mm)
Dry Weight: 470 lbs. (213 kg)
Fuel Capacity: 3.5 gal. (12 l)



Still 10 lbs heavier, not 25 lb lighter...

 

I prefer actual weights. My first DS was a '00. It was 512 lbs wet on my scale system. My '05 weighed in at 490 on the same scale. My '05 swingarm is about 11 lbs lighter than the '00. My '05 shocks are about 3 lbs lighter and the rest of the '05 weight savings is found in hubs and A-arms.

You were right though, the '05 isn't 25 lbs lighter. I only found it to be 22 lbs lighter after I dug my notes out. My bad[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] I am thinking that Bombardier was a little optimistic about their actual weight in '00[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

The interesting thing is my '05 was exactly 472 lbs dry on my scales. My '00 was 493. My '05 had 1 extra pound wet as compared to dry over the '00. I can't explain that..............

Now that we ran off on this rabbit trail, did you read my list of chassis mods I have been working on?[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] I was hoping you might be as forthcoming as I have been with the weight you intend to run[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

I still see it as 2000ds =460lbs.
2005ds =470lbs.



Maybe scales are like dynos, different weight different day. I just dont see how? You really went direclty to the scales and weighed both bikes DRY weight? Dang man, no offense but are you sure?


You can see in my pics the weight ive lost. Probly around 375-385 I dont know to tell ya the truth. You can see in my pics what I have nothings hidden, My shaws arent that light their cruizers. Im getting a new steering stem, I still have stock stem. Im getting a alum gas tank, And oil tank. Other things as well. I hope to get it down to 370[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]


I also am leaning towards a so called dangerous old school wet nos system. I think like it.
You should be able to put a MOPPIN on my bike being only 25 lbs heavier and 35 more hp and better cams.
My bike only got around 55 hp, with a 25 shot that only puts me at a measly 80 hp. Now im gonna have to outride you to make up for that extra 25 hp you will have..
[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] SOUNDS like fun!!!!!

 

You should know by now that I don't lie[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]......and I know you weren't implying that I would. I just might have made a mistake...........it is possible[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Did you notice on your google info how the '05 viper and '05 X were actual dry weights and the '00 was estimated?

I believe that is where the difference is. You should see the difference in the two swingarms. The '05 is light alloy, the '00 is steel and 1 1/4" longer. The '00 shocks are much beefier and the hubs (all of them) are much lighter on the '05. The '05 is 2" narrower and 1 1/4" shorter and did you ever notice the solid rectangular chunks of steel where the A-arms meet the spindles on the '00? Those went away in '01 or '02 for a lighter set of A-arms. The '05 A-arms are lighter yet since they are each about an inch shorter[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

The question I would ask anyone out there who thinks i don't know what I am talking about would be, after all of the lightened parts I have mentioned that went into the '05, where did BRP gain all that weight back on the '05 assuming the estimated 460 lbs for the '00 was accurate?[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Btw, I won't have anywhere near 105 hp. I was hoping but I can't seem to get the old 105.5 bore anywhere near those numbers.