What is really going on in Michigan
Apr 8, 2006 | 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by: QUADSTOCK
oh sorry there fella i wasn't speaking at you....i was talking to muddy4lfie...
oh and thanks for serving our country...really!!!!
but, reading some of your posts around the interent...looks like you may need to go back to boot camp and retake the "respect"class again with your drill sargent..alone, down a long dirt raod....
oh sorry there fella i wasn't speaking at you....i was talking to muddy4lfie...
oh and thanks for serving our country...really!!!!
but, reading some of your posts around the interent...looks like you may need to go back to boot camp and retake the "respect"class again with your drill sargent..alone, down a long dirt raod....
Do me a favor and keep your "drill sargent" fantasies about you, him, and something long to yourself.
Apr 9, 2006 | 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by: bigsam
My bad. I guess I was thinking dirt biker can use all the trails and ATV's only 2/3 of the trail. Don't dirt bikes comprise something like 20% of the registered ORV's while keeping 32% of the trails for their use. It seems like the numbers would suggest more wide trails and additional new trails to be accessible to all.Fair?
My bad. I guess I was thinking dirt biker can use all the trails and ATV's only 2/3 of the trail. Don't dirt bikes comprise something like 20% of the registered ORV's while keeping 32% of the trails for their use. It seems like the numbers would suggest more wide trails and additional new trails to be accessible to all.Fair?
If they are and these clubs want more 24" cycle trail?? Just sounds like something is wrong if those numbers are right.
Why would a atv club join a cycle club that wants more 24" trail the atv club can not use?
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Apr 9, 2006 | 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Motorsports
Are those numbers being discussed correct??
If they are and these clubs want more 24" cycle trail?? Just sounds like something is wrong if those numbers are right.
Why would a atv club join a cycle club that wants more 24" trail the atv club can not use?
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Originally posted by: bigsam
My bad. I guess I was thinking dirt biker can use all the trails and ATV's only 2/3 of the trail. Don't dirt bikes comprise something like 20% of the registered ORV's while keeping 32% of the trails for their use. It seems like the numbers would suggest more wide trails and additional new trails to be accessible to all.Fair?
My bad. I guess I was thinking dirt biker can use all the trails and ATV's only 2/3 of the trail. Don't dirt bikes comprise something like 20% of the registered ORV's while keeping 32% of the trails for their use. It seems like the numbers would suggest more wide trails and additional new trails to be accessible to all.Fair?
If they are and these clubs want more 24" cycle trail?? Just sounds like something is wrong if those numbers are right.
Why would a atv club join a cycle club that wants more 24" trail the atv club can not use?
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Apr 9, 2006 | 07:16 AM
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QUOTE by STUNNO,
And if you feel like going slow and putting around with the family, stay in your back yard.
The trails are my race track, and legally so----END OF QUOTE
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The above quote is about as far fetched as they come and very untrue.What in Gods name makes YOU THINK that the designated trails in Michigan is YOUR race track and that YOU have a LEGAL right to ride them that way?
The truth about the ORV riding laws in Michigan [I personally teach ORV laws in Michigan] is that they are NOT race tracks and you may NOT legally ride them as such.Doing so can/will earn you a citation or maybe worse from a law enforcement officer.You have NO legal right what so ever to ride ANY designated trail in the State of Michigan as a race track.ALL ORV operators MUST NOT operate their ORV on our States designated trails at a rate of speed greater than which is resonable and proper for exsisting conditions. Doing so not only puts YOU at greater risk for a mishap, but is also a VIOLATION of Michigans ORV laws on proper and prudent ORV operation.
If you want to be fast/tight/twisty when you ride, than the only LEGAL place to ride like that in Michigan is on YOUR OWN PRIVATE property or the race track.You have NO LEGAL right to use our designated trails as a race track.
And if you feel like going slow and putting around with the family, stay in your back yard.
The trails are my race track, and legally so----END OF QUOTE
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The above quote is about as far fetched as they come and very untrue.What in Gods name makes YOU THINK that the designated trails in Michigan is YOUR race track and that YOU have a LEGAL right to ride them that way?
The truth about the ORV riding laws in Michigan [I personally teach ORV laws in Michigan] is that they are NOT race tracks and you may NOT legally ride them as such.Doing so can/will earn you a citation or maybe worse from a law enforcement officer.You have NO legal right what so ever to ride ANY designated trail in the State of Michigan as a race track.ALL ORV operators MUST NOT operate their ORV on our States designated trails at a rate of speed greater than which is resonable and proper for exsisting conditions. Doing so not only puts YOU at greater risk for a mishap, but is also a VIOLATION of Michigans ORV laws on proper and prudent ORV operation.
If you want to be fast/tight/twisty when you ride, than the only LEGAL place to ride like that in Michigan is on YOUR OWN PRIVATE property or the race track.You have NO LEGAL right to use our designated trails as a race track.
Apr 9, 2006 | 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
QUOTE by STUNNO,
And if you feel like going slow and putting around with the family, stay in your back yard.
The trails are my race track, and legally so----END OF QUOTE
================================================== ==============
The above quote is about as far fetched as they come and very untrue.What in Gods name makes YOU THINK that the designated trails in Michigan is YOUR race track and that YOU have a LEGAL right to ride them that way?
The truth about the ORV riding laws in Michigan [I personally teach ORV laws in Michigan] is that they are NOT race tracks and you may NOT legally ride them as such.Doing so can/will earn you a citation or maybe worse from a law enforcement officer.You have NO legal right what so ever to ride ANY designated trail in the State of Michigan as a race track.ALL ORV operators MUST NOT operate their ORV on our States designated trails at a rate of speed greater than which is resonable and proper for exsisting conditions. Doing so not only puts YOU at greater risk for a mishap, but is also a VIOLATION of Michigans ORV laws on proper and prudent ORV operation.
If you want to be fast/tight/twisty when you ride, than the only LEGAL place to ride like that in Michigan is on YOUR OWN PRIVATE property or the race track.You have NO LEGAL right to use our designated trails as a race track.
QUOTE by STUNNO,
And if you feel like going slow and putting around with the family, stay in your back yard.
The trails are my race track, and legally so----END OF QUOTE
================================================== ==============
The above quote is about as far fetched as they come and very untrue.What in Gods name makes YOU THINK that the designated trails in Michigan is YOUR race track and that YOU have a LEGAL right to ride them that way?
The truth about the ORV riding laws in Michigan [I personally teach ORV laws in Michigan] is that they are NOT race tracks and you may NOT legally ride them as such.Doing so can/will earn you a citation or maybe worse from a law enforcement officer.You have NO legal right what so ever to ride ANY designated trail in the State of Michigan as a race track.ALL ORV operators MUST NOT operate their ORV on our States designated trails at a rate of speed greater than which is resonable and proper for exsisting conditions. Doing so not only puts YOU at greater risk for a mishap, but is also a VIOLATION of Michigans ORV laws on proper and prudent ORV operation.
If you want to be fast/tight/twisty when you ride, than the only LEGAL place to ride like that in Michigan is on YOUR OWN PRIVATE property or the race track.You have NO LEGAL right to use our designated trails as a race track.
I never said I would operate my ATV at a speed greater than which is reasonable and proper for exsisting conditions? I never said I was going to be unsafe? You just assumed that because I was'nt kissing everyone's *** in this thread and saying "Oh no, noone should ever go fast on the trails." Sorry buddy. If I can do it safely, for the most part anyways, I'll put my bike in 5th and peg it everytime I can. You can put around on any trail you want and wait up for families and slow people, that's fine. I personally could'nt care less about your riding style, as long as I'm having fun, and noone is getting hurt because of it, except for maybe me.
If I ever see you out on the trails I'll be sure to fly by you in fifth gear on two wheels with a blindfold on.
Apr 9, 2006 | 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
QUOTE by STUNNO,
And if you feel like going slow and putting around with the family, stay in your back yard.
The trails are my race track, and legally so----END OF QUOTE
================================================== ==============
The above quote is about as far fetched as they come and very untrue.What in Gods name makes YOU THINK that the designated trails in Michigan is YOUR race track and that YOU have a LEGAL right to ride them that way?
The truth about the ORV riding laws in Michigan [I personally teach ORV laws in Michigan] is that they are NOT race tracks and you may NOT legally ride them as such.Doing so can/will earn you a citation or maybe worse from a law enforcement officer.You have NO legal right what so ever to ride ANY designated trail in the State of Michigan as a race track.ALL ORV operators MUST NOT operate their ORV on our States designated trails at a rate of speed greater than which is resonable and proper for exsisting conditions. Doing so not only puts YOU at greater risk for a mishap, but is also a VIOLATION of Michigans ORV laws on proper and prudent ORV operation.
If you want to be fast/tight/twisty when you ride, than the only LEGAL place to ride like that in Michigan is on YOUR OWN PRIVATE property or the race track.You have NO LEGAL right to use our designated trails as a race track.
QUOTE by STUNNO,
And if you feel like going slow and putting around with the family, stay in your back yard.
The trails are my race track, and legally so----END OF QUOTE
================================================== ==============
The above quote is about as far fetched as they come and very untrue.What in Gods name makes YOU THINK that the designated trails in Michigan is YOUR race track and that YOU have a LEGAL right to ride them that way?
The truth about the ORV riding laws in Michigan [I personally teach ORV laws in Michigan] is that they are NOT race tracks and you may NOT legally ride them as such.Doing so can/will earn you a citation or maybe worse from a law enforcement officer.You have NO legal right what so ever to ride ANY designated trail in the State of Michigan as a race track.ALL ORV operators MUST NOT operate their ORV on our States designated trails at a rate of speed greater than which is resonable and proper for exsisting conditions. Doing so not only puts YOU at greater risk for a mishap, but is also a VIOLATION of Michigans ORV laws on proper and prudent ORV operation.
If you want to be fast/tight/twisty when you ride, than the only LEGAL place to ride like that in Michigan is on YOUR OWN PRIVATE property or the race track.You have NO LEGAL right to use our designated trails as a race track.
Got one even better for ya.... Took this right out of the Michigan ATV handbook.
"Michigan's ORV Trails
Michigan’s public off-road vehicle (ORV) trails offer thousands of miles of single- and double-track riding opportunity.
Be aware that these trails are lightly groomed and riders are likely to encounter narrow sand trails, rough moguls, steep hills, stumps, rocks, brush, loose surfaces, and other hazards.
Michigan’s ORV trails and routes are designed for two-way travel. Users need to always be alert for oncoming traffic.
Trails are designed for motorcycles and ATVs and are recommended for advanced riders only.
Be alert at all times when riding on designated routes for other vehicles including automobiles and trucks. Many times, drivers of larger vehicles fail to notice smaller motorcycles and ATVs.
Prepare for safety:
Always make sure your ORV is in good operating condition.
Check gas level before riding. In an hour, riders can travel farther than they can walk in eight.
Don’t forget your tools, trail maps, a first aid kit, and a compass.
Always ride with a companion.
Know your local emergency telephone numbers before you ride. "
Notice that one line where it says "Trails are designed for motorcycles and ATVs and are recommended for advanced riders only." So if that means what I think it does it should read instead that little kids and old people should'nt be allowed on the trails. Advanced riders seems to encompass a lot if you ask me. Going fast is one of those things. If you can't handle your bike going fast, maybe your not advanced enough to be allowed on the trails.
After looking through that handbook back and forth for a little bit more, I can't find anywhere in it where it stipulates a numbered speed limit for any unmarked trail..... So guess what that means; The trails are my race track, and legally so.
Apr 9, 2006 | 04:57 PM
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I dont have a problem with you going fast on a trail if all the conditions are in favor of doing so and its within your skill level. I have a problem with you telling the veiwers of this forum that the trails in Michigan is your race track and legally so because that comment is nothing short of REDICULES at best.
You also said that if you ever see me out on the trails that you'll be sure to fly by me in fifth gear on two wheels with a blindfold on.I hope you dont operate like that? That type of riding makes a bad name for all ORV users and we dont need anymore black eyes in this sport. And IF it did happen, you better hope that I dont run into you further on down the trail, cause we will discuss your careless driving habits.
You also said that if you ever see me out on the trails that you'll be sure to fly by me in fifth gear on two wheels with a blindfold on.I hope you dont operate like that? That type of riding makes a bad name for all ORV users and we dont need anymore black eyes in this sport. And IF it did happen, you better hope that I dont run into you further on down the trail, cause we will discuss your careless driving habits.
Apr 9, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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QUOTE----- Notice that one line where it says "Trails are designed for motorcycles and ATVs and are recommended for advanced riders only." So if that means what I think it does it should read instead that little kids and old people should'nt be allowed on the trails. Advanced riders seems to encompass a lot if you ask me. Going fast is one of those things. If you can't handle your bike going fast, maybe your not advanced enough to be allowed on the trails.
After looking through that handbook back and forth for a little bit more, I can't find anywhere in it where it stipulates a numbered speed limit for any unmarked trail..... So guess what that means; The trails are my race track, and legally so. END OF QUOTE
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I dont need you to tell me the ORV laws in Michigan, I teach them most every weekend and have been doing so for years. You have absolutely NO perception of the word 'recommended'....The law does not say that little kids and old people are not allowed to operate their ORVs on the trails. YOU read into this in a manner that favors YOUR perception of the law.This type of thinking is going to get you in BIG trouble some day.
Speed limits?
Just exactly what do you think this part of the Michigan ORV laws mean?
A. ORV operation is prohibited at a rate of speed greater than that which is reasonable and proper or in a careless manner without due regard for exsisting conditions.
After looking through that handbook back and forth for a little bit more, I can't find anywhere in it where it stipulates a numbered speed limit for any unmarked trail..... So guess what that means; The trails are my race track, and legally so. END OF QUOTE
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I dont need you to tell me the ORV laws in Michigan, I teach them most every weekend and have been doing so for years. You have absolutely NO perception of the word 'recommended'....The law does not say that little kids and old people are not allowed to operate their ORVs on the trails. YOU read into this in a manner that favors YOUR perception of the law.This type of thinking is going to get you in BIG trouble some day.
Speed limits?
Just exactly what do you think this part of the Michigan ORV laws mean?
A. ORV operation is prohibited at a rate of speed greater than that which is reasonable and proper or in a careless manner without due regard for exsisting conditions.
Apr 9, 2006 | 05:55 PM
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Listen dude.... I'm gonna keep going fast on all of the trails in Michigan as I see fit. I'll go as fast as I'm comfortable going anywhere I please. I never said anywhere that I'm going to be unsafe.
By the way the comment about me pulling a wheelie and passing you with a blindfold on was a joke. But your little comment "And IF it did happen, you better hope that I dont run into you further on down the trail, cause we will discuss your careless driving habits" is gonna cause you some problems. I don't know exactly what you were trying to insinuate when you said that but if you ever do have the privelege of meeting me somewhere out on the trails I would suggest you watch your mouth.
That other stupid comment you made about you not needing me to tell you about the ORV laws in Michigan, seriously get off your high, albeit probably a slow, horse. I don't know what makes you think your god when it comes to ORV laws in Michigan or trails rules in Michigan, but your not. I'll ride how I see fit on any trail I feel like it whenever I feel like it. Just because you more than likely ride a big slow *** ATV, does'nt mean I have to ride my performance ATV in the same manner you ride your UTILITY ATV.
This little excerpt you found from the ORV handbook:
" A. ORV operation is prohibited at a rate of speed greater than that which is reasonable and proper or in a careless manner without due regard for exsisting conditions."
At its very best that rule is completely objective. You remember that advanced rider statement? Oh yeah..... Now you might get it. Any rider on the trails, of proper riding abilitly nonetheless (because your supposed to be an advanced rider just to get on the trails), is gonna be able to judge for him or herself how fast they should be going, hence the reason for no speed limit signs.
See this guy is one of the reasons that ignorant people should'nt be in a position of leadership whether it be sitting on some kind of board or supposedly teaching proper ATV riding skills. I'm sorry but my ATV, and many other people's ATV's, were made to be rode like I'm talking about. Seeing that I just spent 6 almost 7 thousand dollars on the damn thing, I intend to rag the hell out of it whether it ****'s people like you off or not.
All in all, your wrong. Get over it.
By the way, I'll be in Mio next weekend (April 15th and 16th) if you feel that your going to need to discuss my "careless driving habits" with me. I look forward to having a "conversation" with you.
By the way the comment about me pulling a wheelie and passing you with a blindfold on was a joke. But your little comment "And IF it did happen, you better hope that I dont run into you further on down the trail, cause we will discuss your careless driving habits" is gonna cause you some problems. I don't know exactly what you were trying to insinuate when you said that but if you ever do have the privelege of meeting me somewhere out on the trails I would suggest you watch your mouth.
That other stupid comment you made about you not needing me to tell you about the ORV laws in Michigan, seriously get off your high, albeit probably a slow, horse. I don't know what makes you think your god when it comes to ORV laws in Michigan or trails rules in Michigan, but your not. I'll ride how I see fit on any trail I feel like it whenever I feel like it. Just because you more than likely ride a big slow *** ATV, does'nt mean I have to ride my performance ATV in the same manner you ride your UTILITY ATV.
This little excerpt you found from the ORV handbook:
" A. ORV operation is prohibited at a rate of speed greater than that which is reasonable and proper or in a careless manner without due regard for exsisting conditions."
At its very best that rule is completely objective. You remember that advanced rider statement? Oh yeah..... Now you might get it. Any rider on the trails, of proper riding abilitly nonetheless (because your supposed to be an advanced rider just to get on the trails), is gonna be able to judge for him or herself how fast they should be going, hence the reason for no speed limit signs.
See this guy is one of the reasons that ignorant people should'nt be in a position of leadership whether it be sitting on some kind of board or supposedly teaching proper ATV riding skills. I'm sorry but my ATV, and many other people's ATV's, were made to be rode like I'm talking about. Seeing that I just spent 6 almost 7 thousand dollars on the damn thing, I intend to rag the hell out of it whether it ****'s people like you off or not.
All in all, your wrong. Get over it.
By the way, I'll be in Mio next weekend (April 15th and 16th) if you feel that your going to need to discuss my "careless driving habits" with me. I look forward to having a "conversation" with you.
Apr 9, 2006 | 06:27 PM
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Stunna So your the moderator at your website? You want people to keep it civil,yet you act like a immature 23 year old loudmouth. Didn't I read somewhere you ride with a 8 year old son? I will be looking out for that (is it pink) atv of yours on the trail. Your foul language caused your removal from ATVOffroad site and perhaps you can keep it up and lose your right to all websites but your own.