What is really going on in Michigan
May 17, 2006 | 11:39 PM
#841
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What is really going on in Michigan
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If you can not answer whatever you want here, then it must be something top secret
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No top secret at all. Its just that no matter WHAT anybody posts in here, BB is GAUREENTEED to find fault with it, and im tired of his BS. So if you want answers, you can seek them out elsewhere, cause im done giving them in here unless BB gets banned.
If you can not answer whatever you want here, then it must be something top secret
END OF Quote*
No top secret at all. Its just that no matter WHAT anybody posts in here, BB is GAUREENTEED to find fault with it, and im tired of his BS. So if you want answers, you can seek them out elsewhere, cause im done giving them in here unless BB gets banned.
May 18, 2006 | 08:13 AM
#842
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What is really going on in Michigan
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
So if you want answers, you can seek them out elsewhere, cause im done giving them in here unless BB gets banned.
So if you want answers, you can seek them out elsewhere, cause im done giving them in here unless BB gets banned.
May 18, 2006 | 09:01 AM
#843
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What is really going on in Michigan
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Originally posted by: Theotherguy
I don't have a clue what he is talking about here, the ORV Sticker is not tripleing in price any time soon. I can only assume he is again getting his exercise by jumping to conclusions.
(blackballed):
Again, avoid all questions regarding the fact that NO mechanisms are in place to keep these trainers from <u>double</u> billing the average Michigan orv sticker holder....while at the same time claiming that none of this will happen "anytime soon".
What's next?....that our legislators will never stand for this even though you and Muddy claim that this is what the entire orv community so desperately desires?
Another jump... The way the sticker money is divided up is mandated as to how it is spent. We went through this before in this thread. Education money is seperate from Restoration or Maintenace funds.
(blackballed):
TOG, Please pray tell don't just asssume that the members of this forum are absolute idiots and aren't capable of doing the math here.
These "leaders" are attempting to shift a large percentage of every sticker sold <u>righ</u>t <u>into</u> <u>these</u> <u>trainer's</u> <u>pockets</u> while keeping the maintenance and restoration percentages CONSTANT and more accurately REDUCED by their declaration of what we supposedly desire.
Tell me something.....what percentage is $1 out $16.25 for training...v.s. $3 out of $25 ???.
With the "$600,000" question being....which program takes the 'hit' to make this increased percentage possible? (<u>especially</u> with 750 more miles of trail now railroaded through by these bozos that they flat out refuse to talk about concerning any increased future building/maintenance/restoration funds that might obviously be needed to make this a reality?
C'mon, TOG...every <u>one</u> of these guys cry to us that it is FAR "to expensive" to simply fix the vast system we already <u>have</u> with 60" trails that orvs can actually go down supported by the for-profit privitized modern machinery needed to maintain same....yet carving out 750 <u>more</u> miles with absolutely no talk of additional funding whatsoever and even a decreased formula for this work...is 'all right by you' and causes this Michigan orv community to appear as environmentally responsible individuals?
I think we're starting to see here why it is no small wonder that the author of this thread and his two-wheeled cronies have now suddenly caught that pesky computer crash 'bug' when they all hit the 'reply' button...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: Theotherguy
blackballedWhen the $1 taken out of my sticker fee for training is tripled to $3 with absolutely no guarantee that this percentage won't carry on to the point where stickers are one hell of a lot more expensive than the $16 they are now...I think I'm justified in saying that not only should training be subsidized on an "as needed" income basis....but damn well that any parent or trainer shouldn't be allowed to dip into the system twice for both written and then again hands-on training.
TOG
TOG
(blackballed):
Again, avoid all questions regarding the fact that NO mechanisms are in place to keep these trainers from <u>double</u> billing the average Michigan orv sticker holder....while at the same time claiming that none of this will happen "anytime soon".
What's next?....that our legislators will never stand for this even though you and Muddy claim that this is what the entire orv community so desperately desires?
blackballed ..just don't ask me to sacrifice restoration and maintenance dollars/issues for the sake of making sure Mom and Dad in the Escalade have more 'Dom Perignon' on hand come New Years.
TOG
TOG
TOG, Please pray tell don't just asssume that the members of this forum are absolute idiots and aren't capable of doing the math here.
These "leaders" are attempting to shift a large percentage of every sticker sold <u>righ</u>t <u>into</u> <u>these</u> <u>trainer's</u> <u>pockets</u> while keeping the maintenance and restoration percentages CONSTANT and more accurately REDUCED by their declaration of what we supposedly desire.
Tell me something.....what percentage is $1 out $16.25 for training...v.s. $3 out of $25 ???.
With the "$600,000" question being....which program takes the 'hit' to make this increased percentage possible? (<u>especially</u> with 750 more miles of trail now railroaded through by these bozos that they flat out refuse to talk about concerning any increased future building/maintenance/restoration funds that might obviously be needed to make this a reality?
C'mon, TOG...every <u>one</u> of these guys cry to us that it is FAR "to expensive" to simply fix the vast system we already <u>have</u> with 60" trails that orvs can actually go down supported by the for-profit privitized modern machinery needed to maintain same....yet carving out 750 <u>more</u> miles with absolutely no talk of additional funding whatsoever and even a decreased formula for this work...is 'all right by you' and causes this Michigan orv community to appear as environmentally responsible individuals?
I think we're starting to see here why it is no small wonder that the author of this thread and his two-wheeled cronies have now suddenly caught that pesky computer crash 'bug' when they all hit the 'reply' button...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
May 18, 2006 | 09:29 AM
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What is really going on in Michigan
Originally posted by: mywifesquad
Fascinating!!
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFESo if you want answers, you can seek them out elsewhere, cause im done giving them in here unless BB gets banned.
For Pete's sake, Bill....we couldn't even pry out of you what happened at the last public orv meeting! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
May 18, 2006 | 09:57 AM
#846
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What is really going on in Michigan
<STRONG>(blackballed):
TOG, Please pray tell don't just asssume that the members of this forum are absolute idiots and aren't capable of doing the math here.
TOG, Please pray tell don't just asssume that the members of this forum are absolute idiots and aren't capable of doing the math here.
These "leaders" are attempting to shift a large percentage of every sticker sold right into these trainer's pockets while keeping the maintenance and restoration percentages CONSTANT and more accurately REDUCED by their declaration of what we supposedly desire.
The irony in all this is Blackballed is P/O'd because nobody will answer his questions about the ORV AB meeting. When we can't get Blackballed to answer any of our questions.
May 18, 2006 | 10:42 AM
#847
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What is really going on in Michigan
The only FACT you've proved to anyone is what an idiot your are with your years of unending objectivity to what anyone in the ORV community does to advance the sport,while at the same time, sit on your fat **** and do nothing about suppling solutions to any problem yourself.
Tis much easier for you to sit and eat Twinkies and type on your PC than it is to get out and try and make a differance yourself.
BB QUOTE*
Yet if you just want to worry about who brings those weenies to that next 'big ride'... or just what the next club t-shirt or bumper stickers are going to look like, fine!
I'm John Stears from Kalamazoo, Michigan and am proud of it.
Tis much easier for you to sit and eat Twinkies and type on your PC than it is to get out and try and make a differance yourself.
BB QUOTE*
Yet if you just want to worry about who brings those weenies to that next 'big ride'... or just what the next club t-shirt or bumper stickers are going to look like, fine!
I'm John Stears from Kalamazoo, Michigan and am proud of it.
May 18, 2006 | 07:31 PM
#848
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What is really going on in Michigan
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
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If you can not answer whatever you want here, then it must be something top secret
END OF Quote*
No top secret at all. Its just that no matter WHAT anybody posts in here, BB is GAUREENTEED to find fault with it, and im tired of his BS. So if you want answers, you can seek them out elsewhere, cause im done giving them in here unless BB gets banned.
QUOTE*
If you can not answer whatever you want here, then it must be something top secret
END OF Quote*
No top secret at all. Its just that no matter WHAT anybody posts in here, BB is GAUREENTEED to find fault with it, and im tired of his BS. So if you want answers, you can seek them out elsewhere, cause im done giving them in here unless BB gets banned.
Whatever answers you are referring to must be top secret to tell members of this forum to go to a private forum and pay for membership in a club to get your answers (to whatever). Is this just a way to increase that said clubs membership? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
When did you answer anything anyways...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: Motorsports
What will this new 200 miles per year be? My guess is single track trail for the "me-only trail" crowd
So if you all that want atv and orv miles of trail do not start making noise about what trails you do want to the DNR and your state rep's, my guess is you will not like what you end up with.
Now my 2cents about these guys who will attack this post and start the personal attacks against me for posting this; These guys want the "me-only trails" they do not want to share, reread their posts and think about the reasons they say a 55" or 60" trail is not a good idea.
What will this new 200 miles per year be? My guess is single track trail for the "me-only trail" crowd
So if you all that want atv and orv miles of trail do not start making noise about what trails you do want to the DNR and your state rep's, my guess is you will not like what you end up with.
Now my 2cents about these guys who will attack this post and start the personal attacks against me for posting this; These guys want the "me-only trails" they do not want to share, reread their posts and think about the reasons they say a 55" or 60" trail is not a good idea.
Motorsports[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
May 18, 2006 | 10:05 PM
#849
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What is really going on in Michigan
Quote by MOTO*
Whatever answers you are referring to must be top secret to tell members of this forum to go to a private forum and pay for membership in a club to get your answers (to whatever). Is this just a way to increase that said clubs membership END of Quote*
Could you please point out to me and all the rest of the veiwers WHERE I even remotely stated that I wanted ANY of you in here to go and visit a private forum and pay for membership in a club before we would answer any of your questions?Because I cant find one word of a request like this.
BB QUOTE*
Yet if you just want to worry about who brings those weenies to that next 'big ride'... or just what the next club t-shirt or bumper stickers are going to look like, fine!
I'm John Stears from Kalamazoo, Michigan and am proud of it.
Whatever answers you are referring to must be top secret to tell members of this forum to go to a private forum and pay for membership in a club to get your answers (to whatever). Is this just a way to increase that said clubs membership END of Quote*
Could you please point out to me and all the rest of the veiwers WHERE I even remotely stated that I wanted ANY of you in here to go and visit a private forum and pay for membership in a club before we would answer any of your questions?Because I cant find one word of a request like this.
BB QUOTE*
Yet if you just want to worry about who brings those weenies to that next 'big ride'... or just what the next club t-shirt or bumper stickers are going to look like, fine!
I'm John Stears from Kalamazoo, Michigan and am proud of it.
May 18, 2006 | 10:47 PM
#850
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What is really going on in Michigan
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
Quote by MOTO*
Whatever answers you are referring to must be top secret to tell members of this forum to go to a private forum and pay for membership in a club to get your answers (to whatever). Is this just a way to increase that said clubs membership END of Quote*
Could you please point out to me and all the rest of the veiwers WHERE I even remotely stated that I wanted ANY of you in here to go and visit a private forum and pay for membership in a club before we would answer any of your questions?Because I cant find one word of a request like this.
Thank you.
Bill
Quote by MOTO*
Whatever answers you are referring to must be top secret to tell members of this forum to go to a private forum and pay for membership in a club to get your answers (to whatever). Is this just a way to increase that said clubs membership END of Quote*
Could you please point out to me and all the rest of the veiwers WHERE I even remotely stated that I wanted ANY of you in here to go and visit a private forum and pay for membership in a club before we would answer any of your questions?Because I cant find one word of a request like this.
Thank you.
Bill
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
Anybody who has not been BANNED from the ATVOFFROAD site is welcome to visit the site. There is ONE section [members only section] that is not veiwable to the general non-paying public.
Anybody who has not been BANNED from the ATVOFFROAD site is welcome to visit the site. There is ONE section [members only section] that is not veiwable to the general non-paying public.
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
If you would go to the ATVOFFROAD.NET forum and seek out your questions in there, im sure that your questions would be answered. It pleases me a great deal that BB cannot see anything that is posted in there and cannot respond either.
If you would go to the ATVOFFROAD.NET forum and seek out your questions in there, im sure that your questions would be answered. It pleases me a great deal that BB cannot see anything that is posted in there and cannot respond either.
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
I feel like your question is a fair question and advise you to go over to the ATVOFFROAD.NET and sign-up [free] over on that website and ask your questions in there. I'd help you out with answering your questions in here, however, no matter HOW I answer them in here, BB will find some kind of fault, one way or the other,and im much to BUSY to be listening to his BS.
I feel like your question is a fair question and advise you to go over to the ATVOFFROAD.NET and sign-up [free] over on that website and ask your questions in there. I'd help you out with answering your questions in here, however, no matter HOW I answer them in here, BB will find some kind of fault, one way or the other,and im much to BUSY to be listening to his BS.
MUDDY4LIFE, since you do not answer questions I will not answer any of your posts [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: Motorsports
What will this new 200 miles per year be? My guess is single track trail for the "me-only trail" crowd
So if you all that want atv and orv miles of trail do not start making noise about what trails you do want to the DNR and your state rep's, my guess is you will not like what you end up with.
Now my 2cents about these guys who will attack this post and start the personal attacks against me for posting this; These guys want the "me-only trails" they do not want to share, reread their posts and think about the reasons they say a 55" or 60" trail is not a good idea.
What will this new 200 miles per year be? My guess is single track trail for the "me-only trail" crowd
So if you all that want atv and orv miles of trail do not start making noise about what trails you do want to the DNR and your state rep's, my guess is you will not like what you end up with.
Now my 2cents about these guys who will attack this post and start the personal attacks against me for posting this; These guys want the "me-only trails" they do not want to share, reread their posts and think about the reasons they say a 55" or 60" trail is not a good idea.